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Thursday, January 1st, 2009
1:14 am
[d_mononoke]
Disaster after Disaster
This is a thought that occur to me about our continuing chain of world crisis from food rationing, alternative oil, recession in our finances, pollution, etc, etc. The core to most of these problems we have today, in my opinion, is our growing human population. Think about it, we take more than we can give most of the time and it ends up with bad consequences. At the rate, we are going to be extinct a hell of a lot more faster if we don't start paying attention to  the world around us and see if we can create a healthy balance between all life and the planet we live on. What I'm trying to say here is that we don't have to suddenly move into the woods and live off the land, I just think that we need to let go of some of the traditional rules that were set into us and change some of the ways we are living. We can conserve and switch to more natural methods to help, that works but is it really helping like it should? The damage we've done is pretty severe in my case.

Another thing I wanna talk about is the topic of polygamy. I know this is gonna be touching to most of you so just bare with me, ok? I'm just as accepting as the next person when it comes to freedom of love and acceptance but I just can't help but see polygyny as a bad thing for our society. It's bad enough that we have to compensate for our next generation of a billion people but I see polygyny as fueling the fire; one man is impregnating more than he should. It may have been ok, like 4000 years ago but we are losing lands, food and drinking water here in our society. I just don't care if it's about tradition in other lands where it's legal; that kind of thing is making our situation worse. I think what people should really be looking at as an opinion for a more than one relationship is polyandry; keep in mind that I do not favor this for gender superiority reasons, it's more for a reason of our survival. Polyandry has proven to lower the population and it's light on finances too since there is more than one man to help take care of the bills, chores, housing, and importantly the wife. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've heard it before: polyandry is too hard on men, well, so is polygyny on women, it's just that men seem to bitch more about living with more men with only one wife. I think it just really pisses off people that are "supposedly" monogamous in a relationship even though most of these kind of people divorce more which really makes no sense to me.

What you do guys think about this?

Current Mood: contemplative

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Monday, September 8th, 2008
2:47 am
[krylovskiy]
A note
To the moderator of the community.

Dear Sir or Madam,

I have reposted three parts of my text ("Secret Services") because when I tried to have a look at the comments for the second and the third parts the following note appeared each time: "There is no such a note in the Journal". .
When I tried to cut the second and the third parts off I was not able to do that because of the same note. They disappeared somehow afterwards. I encounter such things in the other communities where I have posted my text. Would you be so good as to take that under your personal control?
Thank you so much.

Vladimir Krylovskiy

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2:19 am
[krylovskiy]
Secret Services (three parts). Part I. "Welcome to slavery"
Vladimir Krylovskiy,
the editor of the Russian Orthodox
journal "Rodnik" ("Spring"),
New-York.

7314 21-st Ave, # 4-D
Brooklyn, NY, 11204
ph. (718) 256-8024


To whom it may concern

Dear Sir or Madam,
There are two documents below which I would like to suggest your attention. The information expounded in them is unique. It is very seldom people dare to speak in public on topics like this. The fear of all-powerful Secret Services stops them. Secret Services many times demonstrated their total impunity and irrepressible aspiration to come out of the public control. I am grateful the Lord who has helped me to get the better of that fear.
The first document contains my complaint upon American Secret Services. In 1996 I faxed that complaint to different American state and Human Rights organizations.
The heart of the matter came to one a very important question: "How is a man in democratic states protected against illicit persecuting by Secret Services?" Out of my own experience I can affirm that there have been no any answer to this question even in our days.
The second document presents a detail description of the monstrous method of bringing pressure upon a person, using, as far as I know, by Russian and American Secret Services. This method roughly violates the very basic human rights.
There are a lot of reasons to suppose that the Secret Services of all of the countries in the world are armed with this method. With publishing this in the Internet I appeal to the governments of the countries all over the world with the call to forbid their Secret Services using this misanthropic method which gives them unlimited possibilities by their own choice to manipulate any time with personality and health practically of any human-being.


W E L C O M E T O S L A V E R Y !

Secret services like darkness...


Human Rights Watch / Helsinki

Amnesty International

U.S.A. State Department

U.S.A. Senate. Intelligence Service Committee

House of Representatives. Intelligence
Service Committee


Vladimir Krylovskiy, an immigrant
from Moscow, father of three
underage children; in Russia -
a documentary film maker, screen
script writer and a journalist,
1961 65-th Street, # 2-A,
Brooklyn, NY 11204,
ph. (718) 256-8024


How is a man in the countries of developed democracy protected against illicit persecuting by Secret Service? In other words which legislative mechanism protects a citizen of a democratic state from tyranny of secret police, does impossible any illegal pressure upon him?

In the countries of the former Soviet block thousand of people asked themselves this question being while totalitarian regime absolutely unprotected. If а man, for example, was threatened by unknown persons or noticed that he was being shadowed, he could not complain neither to the court nor to a public prosecutor, nor to any other State Institution. Everywhere he would have been responded with the same answer: "All of this seems to you! You are under persecution mania complex!"

But what about this problem in a free democratic states?

In October 1992 our family arrived to Jacksonville Florida, and in a short time unknown persons started to suggest my co-operating with them. They accosted me in shops, in the street, introducing themselves as representatives of some commercial firm dealing with former soviet republics or any firm connected with TV (probably because of my profession). Amazing me, they told that it would be fine to co-operate with me, that they were interested in my "Russian experience". It was evidently that those unfamiliar people were aware about my biography very well and knew all of my city roads which were being talked about by my wife and me in our kitchen.

I supposed that there could be some people who were really interested in my "Russian experience". In Moscow I was an active participant of democratic processes taking place there. I was a member of informal club of voters, named "Democratic election" of Proletarian and Taganskiy districts of Moscow (election district with 550 thousand of population, where we the only organization trying to prevent the falsification of the election in 1989). While the election of 1990 I was the co-chairman of the club "Democratic election" of Taganskiy district of Moscow and empowered person of Vera Kriger, the coordinator of All-Russian democratic movement "Democratic Russia" (in 1991 her name was in the putschists' list of the persons who should be execute-shot). As a journalist I came out in informal newspapers, revealing KGB that it organized from above so called "democratic parties". From the end of 1990 until my leaving the country in October 1992 I gathered the material for the book of political murders in USSR I am working at now. Yes I had a lot to tell about Russia of 1989-1992. For that it was enough to invite me officially with a writ or even a telephone call (though, of course, a writ would have been better) to proper organization, where I would have been immediately arrived, and ask me all of the necessary questions. But not at all. They wanted to involve me in some clandestine relations, which would be out of any external control.

In October 1993 our family moved to New-York, where I started to be put upon mighty psychological pressure. Some strange things began to take place with my car parked in the street. Several times a week my wife and me found out with surprise that while the night somebody added an oil into the cars radiator (its level was much more higher than the day before), turned the sun screen perpendicularly, changed the position of steering wheel or replaced the driver's chair. All of these things had been done in such a deliberate way that it was impossible not to notice them. They were undoubtedly directed to demoralize me. It happened sometimes even in other part of the city, once we left our car for half an hour. They intimidated me with a total shadowing, demonstrating the might and allpermissibility of the certain structures.

My mail was inspected or didn't come at all, my correspondence was "lost" on its way, or important papers were missing out of it. In the street some people were doing their best to overhear my talks with my wife and my friend from San Francisco who on visit with us. And the overhearing began just near our porch what showed that an operative team was on duty permanently.

Meanwhile silent telephone calls were heard in my apartment. Sometimes it used to be that the person who was giving me a call let me understand that he was aware about some private details of my every day life.

Unknown persons accosted me in the street showing that they knew some details of my biography and the contents of the family talks in our place. It was evidently that they were trying to involve me in some covert unofficial relations at the same time showing that I was dealing with the state structures having unrestricted possibilities (in whose power would it be else to overhear one's telephone and apartment?)

When it was absolutely clear that I would never co-operate with any secret veiled organizations, a very interesting event took place. On March 5 1994 I fell ill with some strange disease, reminding a flue. There were no any symptoms except for a high temperature which exhausted very much lasting for three weeks. A heart arrhythmia arrived what had never taken place before. After that disease I was coming to myself during a half a year. "The interestness" of that disease lay in the fact that the day before I had been warned that something bad would occur with me the next day. After my falling ill strange telephone calls started being heard. It was as if the people who were giving me a call wanted more and more to let me understand that somehow or other they had been involved in my disease. At the end of March an unambiguous threat, though expressed in a veiled way was heard by phone: "It would be good to do some work, otherwise... you will be killed!"

On June 1994 a man gave me a call and introducing himself as the guidance counsel of my oldest son, suggested my coming to school. I was acquainted with the guidance counsel and not recognizing him be voice and feeling that it was something wrong with that call, went to school accompanied by my friend. When we came to school we found out that nobody had called me up. I think that if I had come to school alone I would have been accepted there, but it would have been not the guidance counsel at all to have a conversation with me (in USSR a person also used to be called, for example, to the personal department, and there was /as we say in Russia/ "a man in civil clothes" was waiting for him there).

In July 1994 I got a letter by mail in which out of the blue sky I was suggested to be inspected in regard to my disability. I had never declared anywhere that I considered myself to be disabled, but the letter put me on my alert not only because of that. There was no information in it saying what specific institution I had to come to for the doctor examination. Instead of usual detailed sender's address on the envelope a stingy number of P.O. BOX was printed. There was no, as it used to be in such cases, a telephone number I could call if I needed. There was no even signature. There was only the address where I had to come on August 17, 1994 at 11 o'clock. However, there was one interesting requirement that I had to come there alone. It was interesting that when t h e r e w e r e n o b o d y i n o u r a p a r t m e n t , somebody extracted the letter out of the general pack of my correspondence being on the shelf and moved it to the visible place as though by chance. Of course, I didn't go anywhere. There was no any more repeated call connected with determining of my disability. (That letter is attached).

I was persuading myself that everything would be good, that the people who were so fixedly interested in my person would not go further their threats and leave me alone.

Meanwhile, the pressure upon me was going on. Silent anonymous telephone calls, strange things with my car, overhearing my talks in the street, opening and inspection my correspondence took place as before.

In November 1995 I fell sick with the strange disease again. All my body ached, as if I had a very high temperature while it remained a normal one. Something depressed the action of the heart and activity of the central nervous system. A heart arrhythmia increased day by day called "a sinusoidal" one, as I was told afterwards by a doctor. Some general slowness appeared. It became difficult for me to speak. The face glowed. Unbearable glowing in the breast appeared, preventing me from thinking in a proper way. The salvia became to be bitter. In the morning it was viscous, and I was thirsty very much. All of that was very poignant and was like a torture. At the moment I was telling my wife about my strange indisposition, two silent telephone calls were heard. It became really frightfully.

I came to the decision to tell about everything to two former soviet dissidents, and told imprudently about this intention to my wife. It was difficult to believe, but in several days a heavy headache started (I had never had anything like that before). A little bit later there appeared a strange internal excitement (it was difficult to be precisely described) provoking insomnia. All of those symptoms could fully be taken as the symptoms of psychiatric disease what, from my point of view, was absolutely unsurprisingly. There are some people who, saving the honour of their uniform, would like simply to declare me to be crazy. It would have taken away all of the problems which could be provoked in a democratic country by a document like this. I would be not absolutely surprised if, for example, foam comes out of my mouth.

I am 58 and I have never in my life applied to a psychiatrist. I declare officially that any time I am ready to undergo any examination of psychiatrist. However, taking into consideration the possible pressure upon the doctors, it would be better to have a conflicting examination as well.

It was interesting that all of the symptoms of "strange" disease completely disappeared (except for the heart arrhythmia, which was going away rather slowly) as a result of medical cleaning starvation and hygienic cleaning procedures. It was known that both of them further taking out of human-being's organism substances injurious to health. I am leaving those symptoms to toxicologists.

I have heard that KGB used cigarette's smoke for similar "medical" pressure upon the soviet regime antagonists. It was enough to palm upon a man with a special cigarette or may be simply to fumigate him with its smoke. What happened to me in America? I don't know. I am leaving this to professionals.

I can accuse nobody, prove nothing - everything is indemonstrable and difficult to catch (as it was in Moscow when KGB persecuted me for my journalistic activity). However I am interesting in such a question. Is it possible in U.S.A. to carry out an unbiassed interdepartmental investigation in regard to illicit methods of pressure upon a person by a certain sate structures, which can be easily identified because of their unrestricted possibilities in overhearing his telephone and apartment, street shadowing, inspection of his correspondence?

I didn't want this story to be the possession of general public. In spite of the fact that I go through the immigration and get accustomed to the American way of life with some difficulties, I am deeply grateful to this country for giving shelter to my family and me. I would not like to discredit any state structures here. But what happens to me in America is a terrible edge.

The pressure upon me described above goes on. I apprehend danger for my health and life. My imprescriptible human-being's rights are violated.

How is a person in democratic countries can protect himself from forced recruiting by Secret Services?

Vladimir Kryolovskiy
April 12, 1996

Since then the address has been changed. The current address is as follows:
7314 21-st Ave, # 4-D
Brooklyn, NY,
11204,
ph. (718) 256-8024

PS
Except for organizations numerated above, I faxed that complaint to the New York Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights and Center for Human Rights of U.N.O. I also faxed it to some U.S.A. and State Senators.
Except for U.S.A. State Department, there have been no any respond from all of the addressees I faxed my complaint to. However, I can not affirm that no one of them send me the respond. Probably they did, but their answers were "lost" on their way (particularly it concerns the Senators, who always respond any letters). As far as U.S.A. State Department is concerned, there was a call from them, and I was told courteously that they had nothing to do with the subject like that.

Unfortunately, the only remaining copy of this complaint was not dated, and I had to date it by memory. As a result of that there is some possible inexactitude approximately of several days. Moreover, the date on the complaint not always coincides with the day when one or other addressee received it. I faxed it to different addressees not on the same day.

I have two medical reports made by two independent American doctors, saying that in April 1996 I was really poisoned with organic phosphates (poison matter affecting the central nervous system of a human being).

At the end of May or, may be at the beginning of June 1996 was told literally as follows (word to word): "They have mixed you up, taken you not for the person you really are. However, you turned out to be a complete blunderer and faxed your complaint everywhere. As result of this there is the only way to correct the situation now. You have to visit a psychiatrist and let him diagnose you slightly. In five years it would be possible to remove this diagnosis, and the people who urge you now to do this will tell "Such a smart person he is!"

Living in America, I've encountered an interesting method using by American Secret Services in order to disavow dangerous witnesses. Out of the blue sky a person started feeling something wrong with his health. For example he feels heart ache while he has a very good heart. He visits a doctor and the latter tells him:
- You have a wonderful heart. There is no reason for any anxiety absolutely.
In some time the man visits that doctor again and complains of the heart ache again. The doctor tells him once again:
- There is nothing wrong with your heart. Take a look at the electrocardiogram. You have a bull's heart!
In some time the person visits the doctor in the third time, then in the fourth time, ten in the fifth one... At last there note in his medical chart appeared: "It is necessary to be examined by a psychiatrist". That is it! The man doesn't exist any more as a witness! Who will take into consideration a testimony by a person who is recommended "to be examined by a psychiatrist"?

Vladimir Krylovskiy
October 10, 2007.

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2:16 am
[krylovskiy]
Secret Services (three parts). Part II. "Who hath ears to hear, let him hear"
"W H O H A T H E A R S T O H E A R , L E T H I M H E A R..." *

"Of whom a man is overcome,
of the same is he brought in bounge"
(2Pet. 1,29)

What is a rear sight shooting? Everybody knows. It is a shooting when one chooses an aim among several ones placed not so far each from other, then he is taking a careful sight and... Right! Meanwhile, since telescopic sights started to be used, a rear sight shooting became to be an accuracy itself.
Do you think it is possible to hit a person being in the in the crowd or in one place with some other people with gasiform poison gas (PG)? It turned out that it is possible.
The method of doing this is very simple. It is used by Secret Services without any difficulties, though it is beyond even the imagination of a sane, normal person. One is filled (or, as one of Russian Human Rights defender has said, "pumped full") by force with gasiform organic phosphates - PG affecting the central nervous system of a human being. May be any other PG are used as well, but we know nothing about that.
"How is it possible to fill anybody with poison gas? - a reader will ask, - Well, it is possible to poison one. It is easy to comprehend. It is enough to let the gas get into the room where one is located, and that is it! Of course, at the same time all the other people who are present at the moment in this place would be stricken as well. But to fill one with gas?!
It turned out that this is also possible. As a rule, this is done while the night time. A gasiform colourless and odourless organic phosphates are being sent to the room where one is sleeping (let's get down to the version when there is nobody except for him in the room while the night time). It is not so complicated from the technical point of view. They send to one's room PG in a very small quantity and of a very slight concentration. The concentration of PG is so slight that it doesn't do a human being any harm. It even doesn't attract his attention (at least, while the first time). In other words, one is sleeping and has no idea what happens to him in spite of himself. There are two such attacks with some time interval during the night. As a rule, each attack lasts about an hour.
It is necessary to say that organic phosphates are quickly withdrawn from human being's organism with urine, breathing, perspiration... At the next evening there are almost no any poison in the one's organism. That is what on that very "almost" this Jesuitical method of pressure upon the person and his enslaving is based.
On the second night the person is treated with the gas attacks again, and at the end of the second day almost all PG given to him during the second night are withdrawn as well. However the remaining quantity of PG is added to the remaining quantity of the first night PG, then to the total remaining quantity of the two nights PG, then to the total remaining quantity of the three nights PG, etc. At the same time while the day and the evening time they are doing their best not to miss the moment when he is alone in the place - in the room, in the bathroom, in the kitchen (the prey's apartment is always overheard, and often it is overseen as well) and to add to him some quantity of PG. Moreover, they treat him with PG in the street, using a specific methods (I'll tell about this later).
If one is not alone in the room during the night (let's consider this version now) they don't treat him while the night time (except for the case when he goes to the bathroom), and all of the operation is performed while the daytime. In this case it takes the Secret Service more time to reach the final result as usual. Though, one or two nights they can work with him for all that, because the quantity of PG sent to the room for these two nights is so few, that those members of his family who share the room with him don't even notice it.

"So, what is the aim of such a filling a person with PG?" - an inquisitive reader will ask again, - And how is a rear sight shooting concerned in this case?"
In some time (approximately between two weeks and a month after the beginning of the operation) a person begins to comprehend what happens to him. At this time he began to sense the gas which is sent imperceptibly into his room. He has already felt bad enough. His face glows, though it looks like usual. He senses some burning in his breast. His salvia becomes viscous and unnaturally white. There are small cramp twitches of different groups of muscles all over his body (convulsion readiness). Moreover, it became very difficult for him to think something over. It is necessary to add some somnolence which is very strong from time to time. We know the case when a person fell asleep while the intercourse, and another time when he was driving.
That is the time when the person became to be an open target for a rear sight treating him with poison gases wherever he was. The small quantity of PG of trifling concentration which is baneful for him is at the same time practically harmless for people who find themselves close to him at the moment. They even don't notice it. Now it is possible to hit him with the poison gases when he is among his family, friends, colleagues, in the urban transport, in the cinema, in the theatre etc, not being worried about people who find themselves occasionally in the zone of poison gases.
At this time the Secret Service begins to remind about itself (from the very beginning of the poison gas operation it has not revealed itself). Ominous silent or strange telephone calls are heard in his place.
It is high time to explain now in what cases and when Secret Services use such a complicated, cumbersome and very expensive method of pressure upon a person. Of course, nothing is done off the cuff. Nothing is done without rhyme or reason. A long, laborious, single-minded work always precedes the gas attack, but the main thing in this situation is the fact that this work because of different reasons result nothing.
However, the absence of any result is not enough for a Secret Service to get down to this method. It should be the absence of a very significant result. It occurs sometimes that in a Secret Service's opinion (which very often is absolutely wrong), a person has some very important information. I addition he has some information which could compromise the Secret Service seriously. For example, he is aware about some inhuman methods of pressure upon people who are under investigation or shadowing Secret Services uses. If Secret Service suspects that the person intends to give publicity to this information, they get down to this method. They are sure that the best way for them to obtain from him the necessary information and at the same time to disavow him as a dangerous witness is to enlist him, converting him into their secret agent. This method leads to the person's persistent poisoning, and then, as a result of it - to recruiting him by force.
The person who has against his will been plunged into a chronic poisoning finds himself on a very short lead. Now it is absolutely possible to manipulate with his health making him feel well or bad. It sounds terrible, isn't it? However, it is really so.
Practically he is already an invalid. He is not able to tolerate a regular cigarette smoke, be found near any detergents (washing powder and so on), drop in any hardware store where they sell paints, be found in any place if it has just been painted. It is unnecessary to mention the case when somebody in the neighbourhood of him starts to determinate cockroaches or bed-bugs. All of this causes a heavy wasting cough which looks like vomiting. Besides that, he discovers that it is difficult for him to think, difficult to arrive at decisions, difficult to go in for any intellectual work. It takes him much more time to solve any intellectual task than it took him before.
The person rushes to a hardware store and purchases gas mask supplied with anti-chemical filters. During some time he feels rather easier. However, the filter soon shrinks low, and he has to buy another one. He goes to the store and finds out that there are neither protective masks nor anti-chemical filters on sale. He goes to another store, then to the second one, then to third one... There is the same situation everywhere. He starts to have such a feeling that, at least, in his local area both masks and filters has been removed by somebody's order. He goes to another district of the city and comes across a very familiar situation. In all hardware stores whatever he may go into, he is told that five minutes before there a man came and bought all of protective masks and filters .
If he is lucky somehow or rather to purchase any anti-chemical filters, he has to cherish them as the apple of his eye and by no means to leave them in the uninhabited apartment. Otherwise he will not be able to use them: breathing through them will cause a heavy cough described above, as if someone while the absence of people in the apartment brought some quantity of PG on the filters' surface.
Trying to make his lot easier, the person does his best to spend time in the fresh air as long as he can. However, even in this case he encounters some kind of "surprise". The "surprise" in this case depends on the geographical location of the Secret Service which persecutes him. On the straight like an arrow streets of the transoceanic power's cities the "surprise" overtakes him in the shape of an invisible gasiform cloud thrown out of the operative cars specially equipped for such an aim and shooting past him with a high speed.
On the Russian streets the person is being followed by operative people with such bags of the same type on their shoulders. We are not aware about the contents of these bags, however, as soon as one of the operative people approaches the person the latter at once finds himself within a gas cloud.
Of course, he has possibility to go to the country (to the forest, for example), to the park or to the see (if he lives in the city situated near the see). However, in a very short time he feels that organic phosphates are going to him again with the wind for this time. In spite of their being colourless and odourless he recognizes them at once because he feels sharply ill.

"But to what extent is it possible to fill one with such a muck?", - the reader exclaimed again.
Two toxicologists - an American and a Russian one - has told him in informal conversation, that the time comes when a person in the position like his can lose his conscious for the short time. So, that is what Secret Services strive to reach in this situation.
If it happens in the street the person very soon finds himself in the hospital. (He is brought there by the ambulance, which was passing near that place "by chance"). The doctors, at least some of them, know very well what kind of patient has come to them. They are aware quite well what was the real reason of his falling unconscious in the street.
The tragedy of his situation lies in the fact that he can explain nothing to anyone. Once he drops a hint at some poisoning or gases a heavy mental diagnosis will show in his chart. But he is sure to be examined by a psychiatrist. However, it will occur later. In the meantime the doctors are doing their best to make him feel all of the hopelessness of his conditions. In his presents they start expressive discussion about his conjectural brain's swelling. But when the person goes through necessary examinations and it becomes absolutely clear that there is no any swelling in his brain, the doctors get down to asking him, if there have been any lunatics in his family. All of this is designed for making him lose any hope and agree with informal contacts with the Secret Service: " Oh! Oh! I am ready for everything!"
If it doesn't happen, the person falls in the street again in some time after his leaving the hospital and finds himself in the hospital again. After that it happened once again and after that again and again. At least a psychiatrist is invited to examine him.
However, everything what takes place in the hospital is a fruit of the author's imagination. He permitted himself to let his imagination run. He doesn't have any experience of losing his consciousness, falling in the Street and finding himself in the hospital. However ha has another experience. I'll retell about it later.

So, what Secret Services exactly uses this Jesuitical, man-hating, violating all of the basic human rights method? By our own experience we know that American and Russian Secret Services use it. We can suppose that Secret Services of countries which are friendly to USA and Russia are armed with that method.
Everything here is very simple in general. Secret Services of former Soviet Republics also as the former social republics of the Eastern Block have inherited this method from the Soviet KGB. Those among them which after disintegration of the Soviet Union gave guidance to the North Atlantic Union could besides that receive it from their new transatlantic partners. As far as the Western Europe democratic countries are concerned, it is widely known their close connections with their American colleagues.
There is a particular piquancy, lying in the fact that the Secret Services of the opposite orientations have some kind of a mutual guarantee. They have an informal arrangement to cover this awful method up from the world general public. In 1996 in America we knew one Russian immigrant who was suggested to come to unofficial relations with one of the American Secret Services. When he firmly rejected their suggestion, they "pumped" him up with gasiform organic phosphates. Then he got a plane ticket and, using the opportunity since he had a Russian passport, left USA for Moscow. Just in several hours after his arriving he was taken up by KGB with the same method. The reason of that lay in the fact that they were aware of what had happened to him in America. They knew everything (I mean that Americans had tried to recruit him using that method) out of telephone conversations which he was holding with one of the well known Russian Human Rights defenders and from the detail letter which he had faxed her from New-York.

But why doesn't the person, who as the fate's decree has fallen a prey to this horrible method, relate about everything to everybody? Why doesn't he narrate about his awful story his friends, neighbours, fellow-employees? Why doesn't he appeal to the mass media, or at last to the police? In the answer of this very important question lies the explanation of this crying scandalous fact. How it has generally happened that such a method has become to be possible on the Earth? Why do two-legged creatures from Secret Services, who have the insolence to call themselves human beings, dare to use this method to homosapients? How it has happened that the human association allows such a thing? The answer of this question is simple and frightful. The human association knows nothing about this.
These poor things who has found himself in such a position are not heard by anybody. Their stories are sounded so preposterous that it is much more easier for the interlocutor to take this as a fruit of morbid fantasy, take the narrator to be a little bit out of himself than believe everything. Yuriy Vlasov, repeated world and Olympic games champion and the prominent dissident, who at the end of the 80-s embarked on a single combat with KGB (his lungs have been ruined by KGB just with poison gases), used to say: "When one says that it is possible for the certain forces to make anyone fall ill, to convert anyone into a sick person, the people who hear all of this are declined to perceive this as the revealing of unbalanced character..."
In addition the person who is being treated with PG affecting the central nervous system of a human being, really can make a strange impression. It is difficult for him to collect his thoughts, difficult to concentrate his attention at the certain topic... Moreover, if it is known that he is going to some serious meeting, he can on his way to it suddenly feel such typical (known very well to psychiatrists) jerks of his head, such typical movement of his tongue. His interlocutor really can think that this poor fellow is out of himself a little bit, particularly if he meets him first.
The same about organizations - state as well as the human rights ones, where these poor tings try to appeal. For example, the mentioned above the Russian immigrant in America who had been pumped with PG by American Secret Services sent by fax his complaint to different state organizations. Moreover, he sent it to the American branch of Amnesty International, and Human-Rights Watch / Helsinki. Besides that, he was acquainted with the well known Russian human-rights defender Ludmila Alekseesva (she had just returned to Moscow after 20 years sojourn in USA) and faxed her his complaint from New-York as well. Apart from that, he gave her several calls from New-York and narrated about his situation in details. She expressed sympathy with him and made him believe that American human-rights were sure tor respond his complaint. She suggested also her relating everything the representative of American Human-Rights Watch / Helsinki (her name seemed to be Rachel) who was at that time in Moscow.
In several days Mrs. Alekseeva told him about the conversation with American lady. On hearing about poison gases, she exclaimed: "This is absolutely impossible in our country!" (The well known Russian writer Anton Tchekhov came to his mind at once: "It is impossible, because it is never possible!" That's it! It was such a reaction of Human-Rights defender to the narration of the appalling Human-Rights violations. She neither asked Mrs. Alekseeva to give her the prey's phone number so that she could give him a call and make inquiries about everything, nor manifested the willing to give a call her Helsinki’s Group colleagues and display interest, how the investigation of the events described in the complaint is going on, and why after all there had been no response for the complaint.
Shortly after that the person arrived by air to Moscow, where at the same day was taken up by KGB with the same method. From the fax which he had sent Mrs. Alekseeva from New-York and their phone talks as well KGB knew what had occured to him in USA. (By the by then it was not necessary to fill him out with anything to have him led by the Secret Service as it had been done at the beginning of the operation. It was quite enough just to going on with him what Americans were doing). Then he went to Mrs. Alekseeva (they met at her apartment in the Old Arbat street) and once again in this time in details narrated her his story.
Probably, he really was a little bit out of himself. (On his way to her he paid attention to some people with such bags of the same type on their shoulders who were being followed him). However, he noticed that she was peering into him rather than hearing what he was saying. Suddenly she lost her interest in him and told something an American lady who visited her at that time. He heard that they were talking about the weather...
In three weeks he returned to New-York and found out that no one of the organizations - neither state nor Human-Rights ones where he had appealed with his complaint, replied to it. However, he became rather soon aware of American Secret Services’ actions in respond. He was told in an overt way... By the way, it should be interesting (particularly for those who have their own experience of being under some Secret Services' pressure) what it means - "in an overt way". Did they give him a call? Or did they call him up with subpoena or in any other way? Oh, but there was nothing like that. Simply one of his nodding acquaintance whom he had seen several times in his life suddenly showed specific knowledge of his biography and some everyday facts which his wife and him were discussing in their bedroom. Having shown in that way in the concrete his ID the acquaintance told out of the blue sky: "They don't let anybody come out of the condition like you have found yourself in. They have mixed you up, taken you not for the person you really are. However, you turned out to be a complete blunderer and faxed your complaint everywhere. As result of this there is the only way to correct the situation now. You have to visit a psychiatrist and let him diagnose you slightly. In five years it would be possible to remove this diagnosis, and the people who urge you now to do this will tell "Such a smart person he is!" If you do this you'll feel at once much more easier".
Fortunately, not all the people whom these poor things appeal to for the help are deaf for them. There are some of them ("Who hath ears to hear, let him hear...") who though with difficulty catch the situation. (It is interesting that those who truly respond to the strange misfortune turn often out to believe in the Lord). And here it is very important for the man who has really comprehended what happens in the concrete, to behave in a right way. Not being as a rule a Human-Rights defender, he nevertheless has to to act as a Human-Rights defender. And now we would like to give him several advices.

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2:13 am
[krylovskiy]
Secret Services (three parts). Part III. "The advices to a Human-Rights defender"
T h e a d v i c e s t o a H u m a n - R i g h t s d e f e n d e r

- It is necessary to remember that the person who has appealed for help is already not able to protect himself. He is really sick since he is being influenced with PG aiming affecting the central nervous system of a human being. Any actions which require to be considered carefully cost him much efforts including the very conversation with the Human-Rights defender. Because of that he needs to be treated with great solicitude. It is necessary at once to let him understand that now he is not alone in his situation, that he is sure to be protected and to persuade him that it is true.
However, the Human-Rights defender has to remember that as soon as he has gone deeply into the person's position, considered it carefully, and is going to protect him, he finds himself in jeopardy, particularly if he is firmly determined to give publicity to all situation.
We will not here recall the Secret Service's arsenal which they are able to apply order to close the Human-Rights defender's mouth. However, they are sure to do their best to do this. Just exactly by reason of that it is necessary to make all of the story public - to give it to mass media, narrate it as many people as it is possible. However, each time when the Human-Rights defender intends to relate this story to anyone he has to be confident that he will be heard.
It is necessary to forget about all the attempts to perceive the Secret Service's motive because of which it treats its prey so cruelly. Secret Services sometimes have rather different logic than a common, normal man has. What, the fact that seems to a normal one to be preposterous can be quite logical and reasonable for Secret Services. By the way, it often regards not the interests of the State, but interdepartmental ones and sometimes even strictly practical private ones. Sometimes it happens that one of the secret officials made a mistake and hopes to correct it with using such a method. By reason of all that the Human Right defender, we have already mention that, doesn't have to make any attempts to make all of this out. In any case not in the first turn. In the first turn he has to see a person in front of him whose human-rights are catastrophically violated.

- It is necessary to break up a vicious circle of coercion and lie, on which this dreadful method of slaving people (as all the satanic things) is founded. Do you remember the well known Russian writer Alexander Solzhenitsin: "Coercion has nothing to cover himself up apart from falsehood. Falsehood has nothing to rest upon apart from coercion"?
All the situation which has befallen the person is pierced through with two vectors of falsehood which are mutually complementary. Both are supposed to delude the public if the heart of the matter of the person's position suddenly is given publicity. By the plan of the Secret Service which for some its own aims' sake has plunged the person into the chronic poisoning, the people, whom he associates with have by no means to understand that he is poisoned. This is one of two basic conditions of that gas operation - one of two vectors of falsehood.
The second basic conditions lies in the fact that if the prey suddenly starts persuading anyone that he is poisoned he will be declared to be insane. Here is a paired falsehood, covering up this cooling blood coercion which is being surreptitiously performed by Secret Service upon one of the human brothers.

- In order to enlist an official confirmation of the poisoning it is necessary organize a neurologist consultation. This consultation should take place in the presence of the Human-Rights defender. It is very useful for him to hear how all of that is going from the specialist. In addition, the poisoned person, being not quite in condition, can lose sight of something in his relation, to express some of his ideas not quite precisely, etc. In this case the Human-Rights defender who is in the know of everything at this time has to add the person's relation, correct something...
It is necessary to be ready to the situation when the neurologist turns out not to be aware of chronic poisoning with organic phosphates which is very seldom encountered in every day life. (A sharp organic phosphates poisoning is just another matter. It is met rather often, but there are absolutely different symptoms while it). We know the case when a Moscow neurologist (it was she) told her patient candidly that she had nothing to do with any poisonings and had no idea what all his strange symptoms meant. She recommended another neurologist, specialist of poisonings, but next morning meeting her patient in the clinic corridor she came up to him:
- Yesterday I looked into the reference book. You seem to be right. It looks like organic phosphates indeed.
The neurologist recommended by her tuned out to be a real specialist. He named "organic phosphates" at once and to all appearance understood everything because during the visit twice advised the patient to go out of the contacts with PG:
- Just imagine that you will be cleaned... (he meant the cleaning his blood with a system of special filters they practiced in their out-patient department), but they will you again...
He neither named those "they" who could do something with him "again" nor specified what he meant saying "they will you again"... However he looked very significantly while pronouncing that.
He refused to give the person any health certificate (that was an informal visit), rejected money and cognac which the person offered him:
- It is absolutely not necessary to present me with anything. There affair of virtue has been done, and that's it! Let's arrange now to consider that you have never visited me.
However it is necessary to get a health certificate in spite of everything. It is not enough to get one certificate, but minimum two ones. For that the person should officially visit two or three neurologists. There should be a note in the health certificate that the person's symptoms match organic phosphates poisoning. There is no sense to have a reference to a blood test in the health certificate. Because of intelligible reasons this test is sure to be very good always. If it is possible it is advisedly to avoid the blood test generally in order not to obscure the whole picture. The note of the symptomatology is quite enough.
All the health certificates should be copied and hidden at the places of different friends in case of attempt to steal them. In America we knew the man whose health certificates which had been given to him by two independent doctors were stolen from his place. Fortunately, he was lucky to restore the certificates in the doctors' records, though everything could have been the wrong way round.

- It is necessary to knock the psychiatric cudgel out of the Secret Service, which it has prepared for the case of its exposure. With that end of view it is necessary for the person to be examined by independent psychiatrist. This examination also should take place in the presence of the Human-Rights defender. Independent psychiatrists should be told about the poisoning of the person so that they could make the strange symptoms described above out, if they become apparent while the examination.
It is necessary to get let the Secret Service understand that the psychiatric cudgel has two ends, and it's second end can hit the Secret Service itself with great power. For that purpose the Human-Rights defender should tell a couple of times anywhere including by phone (his phone in connection with that story is sure to be overheard) that he is determined to appeal to the International Association of Psychiatrists. As the practice shows this could be very effective. The doctor bearing shoulder-strips secretly would not like to look like Mr. Lunts and Mr. Snezhnevskiy.*

- It is necessary also to visit (of course together with the Human-Rights defender again) a toxicologist. By the way, the Russian language readers, will find out, we think, not without interest that toxicologists in Russia and toxicologists in America are not the same. In Russia a toxicologist is a doctor. He deals with poisoning, and goes in for treating people for the consequences of poisonings. I America a toxicologist is a chemist. He deals with PG, and goes in for searching affecting of different PG upon a human-being's organism. But we are talking about the Russian reality.
In the Soviet Union and in the postsoviet Russia as well toxicologists because of quite comprehensible reason always were a specific cast. However, in the big cities there are a few places where one has possibility to talk to a toxicologist. There are toxicological departments both for in-patients and out-patients in each large hospital. To say the truth these departments are full with patients suffering of sharp poisoning. Chronic poisonings are met rather seldom, but it makes no different. Toxicologists are good experts in the symptoms of chronic poisoning as well.
What would we like to have having visited a toxicologist? On the first hand, as in the case of neurologists, it is necessary to get the confirmation that the person's symptoms match chronic poisoning with organic phosphates. On the second hand (it is the main thing), it is necessary to attain the cleaning the person's blood. This is a procedure (it takes several hours) of passing one's blood through complicated system of anti-chemical filters.
The both tasks become complicated with the fact that the victim is constantly being followed by an efficient group consisting of fellows with typical shoulder bags. They not only put in action the contents of their bags, but also keep their eyes on him so that he could not, God forbid, receive somewhere the confirmation of his being poisoned indeed.
To clarify the last idea I'll relate about one "toxicological Odyssey" which took place several years ago in Moscow.
The prey and his sister (they didn't have a Human-Rights defender unfortunately) arrived to the toxicological clinic for in-patients of the widely known the Skliphosovskogo Institute. They went to the back entrance, poked to the nurse who opened them the door some money into the chink and asked her to call the doctor. The doctor, hearing that someone wanted to talk to him privately, was very favourable (probably, the idea about honorarium came to his mind at once), and the person described his symptoms. However, not willing to prompt anything to the doctor, he didn't tell him that he was aware that he was poisoned. But without any prompting the doctor said at once:
- It is a chronic poisoning. It is organic phosphates. There is nothing frightful! Just go to our out-patient toxicological clinic. They'll test your blood and clean it. In several hours you will be absolutely good.
In several days the person and his sister came to the out-patient toxicological department. They went to the back entrance again, called the doctor. The conversation was short but extremely constructive:
- I am poisoned. I've no idea, where it has been done. They said it is organic phosphates. Could you clean me? Here is a hundred dollars.
The doctor's reaction came immediately:
- Of course, we can. What is the problem? Galochka! (It was the name of one of the trained hospital nurses - V.K.).
He got down to issuing some instructions... But suddenly someone imperiously hailed him from the distant end of the corridor:
- Nikolay Ivanovich!
He left and in three minutes came back, being absolutely another man:
- What kind of poisoning is that?! You don't have any poisoning! Let's take a look at the symptoms while the poisoning with organic phosphates.
He opened the book he had fetched and started numerating.
- Well? Have you had such symptoms?
The victim kept a silence. He really didn't have such symptoms. It was not until in the evening at his place the idea came to his mind that the doctor had numerated the symptoms of sharp poisoning while he had a chronic one. The doctor could not but see that. He juggled with the facts deliberately.
- Well. What about the blood test in this case?
- It is possible.
Farther the events were going in a following way. They took his blood for the test (it was the venous blood), and he came out in the yard (the clinic was located on the first floor). He was pacing to and fro not so far from the entrance, when a man in the hospital uniform came up to him. That was either a doctor or a hospital attendant (the person had not seen him before). Lowering his voice he asked:
- Was it you whose blood has been just taken?
- Yes. It was me.
- There is a computer there.
- ???
Seeing that he was not comprehended, the man clarified:
- There is no anyone there, only the computer.
He told nothing more.
And again the victim didn't understand (his obscured head didn't let him catch that at once) that the doctors, who evidently had understood everything, took pity on him and now were trying to help him to intercept the result the blood test from the Secret Service. He tarried, was taken aback... And in several minutes Nikolay Ivanovich was coming up to him holding triumphantly in his hand some sheet of paper.
- You see! Was it not me who told you! The blood test is normal. You are absolutely healthy!
In several days the person and his sister came to the toxicological clinic for in-patients again, and the same doctor, who had advised the person on his poisoning before, said:
- I've already told you: You have a chronic poisoning with organic phosphates. Will you just go to the out-patient toxicological clinic. They'll test your blood and clean it.
- We have already been there!
- Have you been?!
He left and in a minute was back. His face was changed with fear.
- What a poisoning did you mean? Where have you got such an idea? You don't have any poisoning!
The circuit was closed...

What can Human-Rights defender do under the circumstances like these?
It is very important to be aware that a regular blood test is not enough in order to reveal the presence of organic phosphates in human-being's organism. A regular blood test doesn't show anything like that. It is necessary to take some kind of specific test. It is called "Blood test for "cholesterase" (unfortunately, I am not sure how to write this medical term in a correct way - V.K.)
If the Human-Rights defender represents an official Human-Rights organization, he has to visit toxicologists and, showing his ID, ask them to let him possibility to trace all of the stages of the person's blood test for "cholesterase". If his request is rejected, it will be the ground for further Human-Rights actions. Moreover, it'll become evident that there is something wrong with the person’s blood test.
If the Human-Rights defender doesn't have a corresponding ID, it is necessary to find somehow out the exact location of the computer, which issues the final result of blood test for "cholesterase" and be there without preliminary permission in due time.
Moreover, the Human-Rights defender has to be aware that while the chronic poisoning like that one loses the capacity to assimilate vitamin B-12 form the food. As for the lack of vitamin B-12, it can result in different functional departures from the norm including in one’s behaviour. We are not professionals and not aware, when such departures usually arrive. We also don’t know what intensity the exhausting of vitamin B-12 is going in one's organism with. However, from the moment when one starts feeling the gasiform PG going towards him (one of the signs that the chronic poisoning have been already formed) that exhausting is going with the full speed. Neurologists recommend to begin making injections of vitamin B-12.
Summing up, we would like to repeat: being in such a condition a person is not able to protect himself at all. He needs in the very serious protection!
"Who hath ears to hear, let him hear..."!
_________________________________________________________
* - Mat. 13, 43.

** - Mr. Lunts and Mr. Snezhnevskiy - the well known soviet psychiatrists, involving into using punitive psychiatry while the Soviet Union.

Vladimir Krylovskiy,
New-York.
September 27 2007



PS
While an honest investigaiton (it could be interdepartmental one) I am ready to prove everything described above. It seems to be very important because as far as I know there is at least one person in USA who is being treated with the described method at this time. I can suppose that minimum a couple of persons in Russia are in the same position as well.

This text is totally posted on the Russian Human Rights Website - www.Trepashkin.info (then click on the section "Гостевая" /"For guests"/, located in the upper part of the screen, and scroll all the way down to the "July 1, 2008"). It is also publihsed on the Russian language website www.Chechenpress.info (August 5, 2008).

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Thursday, August 14th, 2008
1:54 am
[sayf_udeen]
Semiotic.
Hey all,
Just thought I'd let you know of forums that are set on hopefully changing the world. We're all about politics, beliefs, causes, petitions and awareness.
It's a community of engaging debates including looking for the meaning of life, superficialities, peace in the Middle East, the way our world is run and going.

But, don't be scared, we also know how to have fun. =]]
Would love to you see there.

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~Sayf

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Saturday, August 9th, 2008
8:42 pm
[writer_world]

Those who are for WAR – join USA.

Those who are for peace – join RUSSIA.

 

THINK!!!

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Wednesday, March 19th, 2008
6:26 pm
[mz_niang]
Where's the maintainer?

 Anyway, speaking my mind...
 Working laws: half an hour lunch break after 5 hours. An additional lunch break after 10 hours. Who voted this in? Who wants to spend that additional forced unpaid half hour away from their family/ their children? Only the rich owners benefit (an unpaid half hour verses a paid fifteen minute break. Join me, speak out!

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6:16 pm
[mz_niang]
if this is still the topic...
 Yes, I think marijuanna (sp?) should be legalized... perhaps with laws applied to alcohol attached to it. Who wants their tax dollars going to a jail cell for someone who smokes it or sells it? There are bigger fish to fry.

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Friday, March 7th, 2008
11:35 pm
[susanweimer]
The National ID will enslave America!
NoNationalID.com

The National ID will enslave America!

We must stop it now!

What can we do?



We must save America now!


Take the pledge and sign up for the newsletter here!
Click here to download a printable petition form (Requires Acrobat Reader) for use with those who do not have email access.
 

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Friday, September 29th, 2006
1:26 pm
[paddymac]
We Need to Take Action to Prevent War with Iran
We need to take urgent action to prevent a war on Iran. Today, the Senate will probably vote on a bill that would ruin ongoing European negotiations with Iran. These negotiations are designed to avert war, and they have had several break-throughs lately.

The Senate could vote today, though, to increase sanctions both on Iran and on our European allies who trade with Iran. It also would support "regime change" by funding groups who want to take-over the government in Iran. This would be extremely provocative and probably lead Iran to withdraw from negotiations, paving the way for another disastrous war.

Go here to take action: http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/involved/iran092906.html

Negotiations with Iran are an alternative to war supported by a majority of Americans. Iran has hinted that it would be willing to suspend uranium enrichment during talks.

The Iranians are actually within their rights to enrich uranium under the Non-Proliferation Treaty. It is being monitored by expert inspectors. Iran says it is for peaceful nuclear power rather than a nuclear bomb. Even if they are lying, the CIA says they are five to ten years away from being capable of producing a bomb.

Now is the time for peaceful discussion and negotiation, not war.

Take action today!

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Tuesday, June 27th, 2006
2:57 pm
[guju_desi]
Global Pride, Global Action: Empowering the Spirit of Human Rights
Join Amnesty International, Gay Games vistores, local lesbian, gay, bisexual, and trasgender (LGBT) community members for a one day conference exploring international LGBT human rights issues, and way participants can take action to end LGBT human rights abuses.

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Monday, December 5th, 2005
1:07 am
[weresolipsists]
Operation Home for the Holidays
Hi! I'm writing to let you know about a little anti-war performance I did
with my family over Thanksgiving weekend. I heard about this lady on the
radio doing it (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5021524)
and we copied it.

We took toy soldiers and put a label on them that says "bring me home from
Iraq for the holidays" and we placed them all over stores -- in Best Buy and
the supermarket - and then customers or employees find them on top of
granola bars or iPods, etc.

The idea is to confront consumers for a brief moment -- to ask them to think
about Bush's approach (failure!) and what they're going to do about it. It
also offers an encouragement to other activists, citizens of conscience, and
military families, in that someone is doing something to bring soldiers
home!

So, it's extremely easy (and relatively cheap) to do! Look for toy soldiers
at your local dollar, toy, or department store, glue them on to some paper,
and write/print "Bring Me Home from Iraq for the Holidays," then walk around
stores and leave them (in)conspicuously on shelves!

We're psyched, we wanna get it in blogs and news media and work a snowball
effect and have this protest-performance-action sweep the nation, and be the
next Cindy Sheehan anti-war strategy.

I've started a blog to keep track of where these are popping up. Please
send in pictures of actions you've done (or seen):
http://homefortheholidaysaction.blogspot.com/.

in peace & solidarity,
"Femme Egale"

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Wednesday, February 26th, 2003
9:57 pm
[blackmeout]
Hi everyone,

I wanted to tell you all about the Grassroots Animal Rights Conference coming up next month. It's from March 31-April 3rd in Manhatten, New York. Now is the time to register. Check out info about the conference at garc and The Grassroots AR Conference.

Hope to see you there,

t

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Friday, November 12th, 2004
4:44 pm
[sugarhippie7]


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12:10 am
[tydaj]
Since this community is pretty dead, I suppose no one will mind the advert:

religious_left - for those with strong religious convictions that nessisarily exclude right-wing rubbish.

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Friday, July 11th, 2003
2:10 pm
[cespoolofcool]
this community sucks, can we get some new topics>>>

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Wednesday, May 28th, 2003
5:09 pm
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As you probably have noticed, the current topic was meant to end two days ago. LiveJournal rarely works for me (it will be a miracle if this actually posts), sometimes not even allowing me to access the site. It isn't fair to the members to have to wait around for LJ to allow me to change the topics, so I'm going to give co-maintainership to someone else. Comment here, e-mail or IM (BeautyWhispers@AOL.com) me if you would be interested in being co-maintainer or maintainer. I will still be in the community, but I never know when LiveJournal will be working for me, so I can't always check on the community.


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Saturday, May 17th, 2003
1:13 am
[sexyxxxvixen]
i'm new...and i DEFINITELY have opinions about marijuana and if it should be legalized! hah i don't smoke weed anymore only because i'm in the navy and there is a zero tolerance policy as far as illegal drugs go, but i will always be a pot head at heart! honestly, i don't see any harm in smoking weed...i mean, other than getting fatter and having lung problems *which is also a side effect of cigarettes which are LEGAL mind you* and yeah, it kills brain cells, you know in a day you lose thousands of brain cells ANYWAY! some of the smartest people i've ever met have also been the biggest pot heads i've EVER met! pot is definitely mind expanding if used correctly...people just seem to think a lot more when they smoke pot, if only in part to the laziness of the physical body while the mind is still fully turned on. at least in my experience, i have never heard of a really bad experience with weed. some people just don't like it, but nothing bad has HAPPENED to them. other than people who are stupid, who were already stupid and reckless, mind you, going out and causing trouble or hitting people with cars. its NO WORSE than drinking and alcohol is legal. why is alcohol legal? because they TRIED ban it and it just didn't work. i don't think marijuana is as widely used and abused as alcohol for it to be SUCH a problem as alcohol was in prohibition. but the government could gain a lot by legalizing marijuana, such as making TAXES from selling them. and alleviating the rebellion issue as far as marijuana goes. cops shouldn't be busting pot heads, they have coke heads and tweekers that would be more intelligent to arrest, INSTEAD of poor defenseless pot heads who simply contribute the the economy by buying loads of food!!!
then there's the argument, "if we make POT legal, we'll have to make coke legal and it will just be a big drug snowball!" WHAT THE FUCK EVER!!!! cocaine is HIGHLY addictive, marijuana is barely physically addictive! cocaine is HIGHLY addictive and very dangerous. you CANNOT overdose on marijuana...yeah, and that is my case.......take it or leave it...

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11:08 am
[halo_of_thorns]
Copied from my post on Ujournal's 'have_your_say'
My stand on this debate isnt very strong, so i could possibly be swayed to the other side if a
good debater comes along.

But from first thinking and considering this week, i have decided that it seems logically to make marijuana legal.
For a couple of reasons.
Marijuana is probably (i have no stats to back this up) the most used illegal drug. Many people use it. Alot of those people for social reasons. When we think marijuana usage alot of us tend to imagine a young druggo or something, but this isnt the case. Older people use it as well, and there are not that many people addicted to the drug compared to how many use it. Alot of people that use marijuana are usually good citizens that follow the law and have jobs or even a family.
Society uses marijuana, and society wants it. It is obvious that while it is illegal people are still getting it.
By it being illegal we are creating more problems.
The Government (tax payers) money are being spent on trying to keep marijuana out of our state/country. What good is it doing? None.
Our money would be better spent on creating a better place to live. Their are so many issues or problems around the world that our money could help solve, lets use it on that instead of arresting marijuana users.
Marijuana is not worse then alcohol or tobacco. If you insist on banning marijuana, then i insist you ban alcohol and tobacco as well. It wont happen.
Of course there should be some guidelines with the usage of marijuana. It should be an adult only drug (like alcohol), so age limits. And just like alcohol again, must not be used while driving, in a work environment and not in public.
I think thats about it.
xxx
Rena

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